The 2012 NDAA, or National Defense Authorization Act, for those of you just joining us, uses the term “belligerent act” to define who can be detained, who’s considered a spy under this, and then the government in court refused to define that term. . . . We have all these categories where we set aside a group of people and we apply this label and we say, people with this label don’t have any rights. After 9/11 we allowed that to happen with Guantanamo Bay. We allowed them to say, oh, well, these people don’t have any rights, and yet we say, well, they’re natural, unalienable rights. If they’re unalienable rights, no government can take them, and no government can give them. . . . Now it’s coming back to haunt us.